Avoiding negative reviews

[quarterback]

Wealthy men in politics or entertainment won't want to be seen in public with an escort, but I wonder if things would change if prostitution was legal? We normalize it but the reality is that its still very taboo in Canada.

No, it's never going to change. It has nothing to do with legality.

It's a social status thing. Men who have sex with attractive women without paying are seen by other men as having a higher status than those who pay for sex.

That doesn't mean that high-status men never pay for sex. However, there's a significant difference between hiring an escort for an hour of private intimacy in the bedroom and taking an escort out for social outings. The later is seen as low value, and will be looked down upon by other men. 

Cities like Vancouver are relatively small. Ive been out with friends many times and we have seen men out with women who are known to be escorts, and those guys are viewed as losers, they even will get disrespected by other guys publicly sometimes.

[thatsoraven]

No, it's never going to change. It has nothing to do with legality.

It's a social status thing. Men who have sex with attractive women without paying are seen by other men as having a higher status than those who pay for sex.

That doesn't mean that high-status men never pay for sex. However, there's a significant difference between hiring an escort for an hour of private intimacy in the bedroom and taking an escort out for social outings. The later is seen as low value, and will be looked down upon by other men. 

Cities like Vancouver are relatively small. Ive been out with friends many times and we have seen men out with women who are known to be escorts, and those guys are viewed as losers, they even will get disrespected by other guys publicly sometimes.

They hire escorts in private but then judge men for hiring them for social dates? 

At his level, I don't think he'd care about their judgements. How would they negatively impact his life? Likely don't work together.  Likely don't run in the same social circles. If they out him, he has reason to out them. I think the boys club blows this issue out of proportion a bit. For all you know , they could be looking at the girl BEHIND the escort and the client , and they just think theyre being watched and judged. There's a lot of paranoia here. A lot of people just don't care either and arent paying attention,  unless of course they're the kind of people that care about status and want to rip apart the status of others 

I think some men are mostly posturing. Men do a lot to fit in, more than I ever thought they did. I guess my definition of an alpha male doesn't chase status

[quarterback]

You hire escorts in private but then judge men for hiring them for social dates? 
At his level, I don't think he'd care about your judgements.

Yes, it’s actually quite different.
I also look down on guys who pay for sex when that’s their only option. There’s a distinction between doing it for convenience and doing it out of necessity.
I’m not just speaking about myself, I’m referring to men in general.

Yes, it’s evident that you have an unhealthy fixation on this particular client. I assume you’re suggesting he’s a billionaire or a centimillionaire. However, you’re not the only person who knows men of that level or wealth, others can speak on the topic as well, and Id assume men who know/are friends with/are related to billionaires and centrimillionaires have a better idea of how they speak about woman, and how they view other mens social status, and how they care about their own social status.
Believe me, every man from various socio-economic backgrounds perceives those who can have sex with beautiful women for free as having a higher status than men who pay for sex, at least when it comes to social dynamics.

Every girl in Vancouver likes to say that they've dated billionaires, but the reality is there are only about ~40 billionaires in Canada, and just a few of them are in Vancouver. So most are lying or have been misled.

[thatsoraven]

Yes, it’s actually quite different.
I also look down on guys who pay for sex when that’s their only option. There’s a distinction between doing it for convenience and doing it out of necessity.
I’m not just speaking about myself, I’m referring to men in general.

Yes, it’s evident that you have an unhealthy fixation on this particular client. I assume you’re suggesting he’s a billionaire or a centimillionaire. However, you’re not the only person who knows men of that level or wealth, others can speak on the topic as well, and Id assume men who know/are friends with/are related to billionaires and centrimillionaires have a better idea of how they speak about woman, and how they view other mens social status, and how they care about their own social status.
Believe me, every man from various socio-economic backgrounds perceives those who can have sex with beautiful women for free as having a higher status than men who pay for sex, at least when it comes to social dynamics.

Every girl in Vancouver likes to say that they've dated billionaires, but the reality is there are only about ~40 billionaires in Canada, and just a few of them are in Vancouver. So most are lying or have been misled.

No, I am using him as an example, and it pertains to this conversation, so of course I keep referring back to him.

I hope you all find a way some day to be less judgemental towards each other. It must be exhausting judging people and then likely being judged the same way by your peers, since you claim this is how it is.  

I don't judge anyone for paying for a service in order to meet a need and keep healthy.  I'm happy it's an option. Many men deserve touch , warmth, etc and aren't getting it. Plus, of course, I like being paid for it.

[MissHunter]

Some guys with a ridiculous amount of money don’t give a fuck

I have a buddy (not a client) who has been successful in his line of work here since I was a young child. I’ve been face out for so long I know I get recognized in public often. I’m sure we both do. He doesn’t give a fuck about being seen with me in public. We’ve met for lunch & drinks many times

It must be awful having to hide yourself . True freedom in this world is being able to live your life as you choose & not give a fuck if any other people judge you

Perhaps sometimes the fear is legit in some cases, but it can be paranoia too

[MissHunter]

SWs have personal lives . Just because we’re seen with a man in public it doesn’t mean he’s paying for it

She could be your friend, your sister, cousin, niece, daughter, fwb, etc

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Maybe you initially met her on a dating site , or at Starbucks, wherever, and had no idea she’s a SW

If you’re worried about losing your job, or being judged by your peers then just deny deny deny, I guess

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About the socioeconomic status of men on review boards, yeah some are wealthy

But I think a large portion of them are ones on budgets. And steadily becoming a higher proportion with the state of the economy

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How common would you say cosmetic surgery is with young SPs?

Cosmetic work has become a lot more common since I was in my 20s in this industry 

back it was common to get a boob job, maybe a bit of lip filler … 

[yaletownfuckboi]

I don't watch Andrew Tate at all. I'd love to never see him again. 
My client is successful and wealthy. I've seen it. 
I spoke from my experience with my clients.   I am sharing specifically what my wealthy clients have said. 
What is your exact level of income ? You may be top 0.1% , but I don't think you come anywhere close to my wealthiest client, which is why you don't share the same attitude, perhaps.
Elon Musk is constantly online pushing his agenda , and is known for his technical expertise. For all we know, he may not even be operating his own account, either. He could have a personal assistant helping. 
Anyway, that's not the point either. Elon Musk isn't discussing women he's having sex with. He's talking about bigger issues, like politics etc. I'd doubt he'd bother to review an escort. He'd just go out and get the best because he has the money and the freedom to make that happen.  I doubt he's lonely, or raging out over having spent ( in his eyes) a few pennies
As for my client not wanting to be seen with me in public , who do you think is out looking for us? He's not being followed by a team of investigators. He's not in entertainment or politics. There is zero reason for anyone to follow him. Police do not care about prostitution unless there is sex trafficking , violence,  or drugs involved. It's known as a grey area. Ive been doing this for years, and not a single police officer has ever come for a client of mine. Its a waste of their time, and it's considered consensual sex between adults.
** I will not give his exact level of income , as there's a good chance that alone would narrow it down.   But it's more than 500K, I'll tell you that much. I will keep it there, as even Google will tell you just how many millionaires are in British Columbia

I think you took my comment a bit too personally, and went on a few tangents.

I was simply asking what income/net-worth you consider wealthy?

Yes, I made just north of $500k last year, which I think is pretty good for a guy in his late 20s, especially in a field where those 5-10 years senior to me are earning millions annually. I definitely don't think I'm balling, and I invest most of my money. Im not to concerned if you think i'm poor, since I have other things going for me beyond just money.

However, since I work in finance, I know a lot of extremely wealthy guys, and I can tell  you that many of them speak even worse than the people on these review forums. 
And I can say for certain that they don't appreciate being taken advantage of or wasting even a few hundred dollars, so im sure that would apply to seeing escorts even though its pennies to them.

I was just asking you what you consider to be wealthy.

[thatsoraven]

I think you took my comment a bit too personally, and went on a few tangents.

I was simply asking what income/net-worth you consider wealthy?

Yes, I made just north of $500k last year, which I think is pretty good for a guy in his late 20s, especially in a field where those 5-10 years senior to me are earning millions annually. I definitely don't think I'm balling, and I invest most of my money. Im not to concerned if you think i'm poor, since I have other things going for me beyond just money.

However, since I work in finance, I know a lot of extremely wealthy guys, and I can tell  you that many of them speak even worse than the people on these review forums. 
And I can say for certain that they don't appreciate being taken advantage of or wasting even a few hundred dollars, so im sure that would apply to seeing escorts even though its pennies to them.

I was just asking you what you consider to be wealthy.

I replied that I don't watch Andrew Tate? That's not me taking anything personally. That's a reply. A factual reply. Then, I asked about your income, because we are asking each other questions. 
 Again, I am speaking from the experiences shared by my clients,  and what they said about review boards. This doesn't capture every man out there. I keep saying it's not black and white. I only replied to the thread to counter the statement that men not on review must be incels or lonely. No, some men just don't care about review boards, and others don't even know about their existence.

** No, I wouldn't think you're poor. That's ridiculous . Women being interviewed by YouTubers , the ones that state unrealistic income standards for men, don't speak for us all. Please don't think ALL women share the same way of thinking.
500K is fantastic.  Good job !

As for the rest of my response, I think all I did was reply to what was said to me ? If you don't mind, please tell me where things exactly were taken personally? 

I think the board would be glad that I see men in many different layers, and that I am here defending the ones that aren't here from being called incels. Giving this board more balance is important

[yaletownfuckboi]

I replied that I don't watch Andrew Tate? That's not me taking anything personally. That's a reply. A factual reply. Then, I asked about your income, because we are asking each other questions. 
 Again, I am speaking from the experiences shared by my clients,  and what they said about review boards. This doesn't capture every man out there. I keep saying it's not black and white. I only replied to the thread to counter the statement that men not on review must be incels or lonely. No, some men just don't care about review boards, and others don't even know about their existence.

** No, I wouldn't think you're poor. That's ridiculous . Women being interviewed by YouTubers , the ones that state unrealistic income standards for men, don't speak for us all. Please don't think ALL women share the same way of thinking.
500K is fantastic.  Good job !

Okay that all makes sense.

I think most of the guys who don't participate in these forums either don't know about them or don't feel like contributing and would rather just lurk. I don't believe it has anything to do with income or net worth. Thats just my opinion.

[thatsoraven]

Okay that all makes sense.

I think most of the guys who don't participate in these forums either don't know about them or don't feel like contributing and would rather just lurk. I don't believe it has anything to do with income or net worth. Thats just my opinion.

I think it's a combination of all the above !

[Plato]

Whoa, looks like my comment stirred up some drama!
Ill simplify my question:

Do you think women charging $600-1000+ don’t really care about bad reviews since they’re not expecting repeat clients most of the time?

Thats what it seems like...

[thatsoraven]

Whoa, looks like my comment stirred up some drama!
Ill simplify my question:

Do you think women charging $600-1000+ don’t really care about bad reviews since they’re not expecting repeat clients most of the time?

Thats what it seems like...

Why do you think they don't expect repeat clients? I know of a few providers in that price range that have consistent regulars. 

Honest question for you  

Do the higher price girls irk you ? The assumptions made about them seem to come more often vs assumptions made at more affordable escorts. I'm wondering if this has more to do with accessibility ? I get that the expectations are higher,  but it almost seems borderline hateful sometimes ( not yet in this particular thread )  , but it leaves me wondering if clients hope to knock down their price so accessibility can be more frequent 

Anyway, it's great that you simplified your question. Thank you. That helps. 

On the other hand,  Mr Wolf...  tsk, tsk,  tsk. This is really not looking good for you. I am disgusted,  and if you are or ever plan to be a customer of mine, please lose my phone number. I draw the line there. 

Her government name that's... horrible.

I hope some control is established on this board , or providers will never want to exist here. I am second guessing why I am even here, especially because the private forums are clearly causing damage. Have you not considered the negative impact this could have on her mental health and physical health? Are you purposely trying to destroy what little escorts are here ? This right here is why " higher caliber" women aren't escorting or throwing themselves at you. Women don't want to enter an industry that's known to abuse and hurt women .

[Plato]

Why do you think they don't expect repeat clients? I know of a few providers in that price range that have consistent regulars. 
Honest question for you  
Do the higher price girls irk you ? The assumptions made about them seem to come more often vs assumptions made at more affordable escorts. I'm wondering if this has more to do with accessibility ? I get that the expectations are higher,  but it almost seems borderline hateful sometimes ( not yet in this particular thread )  , but it leaves me wondering if clients hope to knock down their price so accessibility can be more frequent 

I've heard that a lot of providers are having a tough time bringing in and keeping clients these days, but who knows, maybe that's just a rumor.
No, they don't "irk" me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.
I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
Just pontificating on why that may be the case. Maybe you are right.
Im sure it is a myriad of reasons.

Nah, I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
don't bother me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.

[thatsoraven]

I've heard that a lot of providers are having a tough time bringing in and keeping clients these days, but who knows, maybe that's just a rumor.
No, they don't "irk" me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.
I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
Just pontificating on why that may be the case. Maybe you are right.
Im sure it is a myriad of reasons.

Nah, I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
don't bother me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.

Thanks for the discussion.  I am not sure where that rumour came from. The women I know to be charging $600/H + haven't mentioned anything to me about it being slow. Business always seems to be booming, but I also think that you get what you put into it. If ads aren't consistently being posted or online engagement is lacking, this may slow things down. I know some girls don't advertise as often as others, and of course the girls that do are more noticeable

As for the reviews,  I went months before anyone wrote me a review, which was odd to me. When I joined the industry I expected to be reviewed immediately. I had even hoped for it. I was curious. Once I was reviewed, it was like the flood gates broke. Some clients have told me that reviews drive up the popularity of their favorite provider, so they don't contribute for that reason. Others may be satisfied and save their reviews for encounters they consider to be less favorable . Others more private. 

 I've noticed that a lot of men here want validation,  acceptance,  and status. And I think review boards attract that type, and if you're not that type...

[MissHunter]

Tbh even when you are feeling like a mess just be honest with your clients if you’re feeling not your best
I’ve been dealing with crazy insomnia recently . I feel like I’m hammered & been smoking huge blunts all day before I start my sessions
But all my clients continue to leave happy

[Lawman]

I believe the providers in this discussion are overlooking the importance of understanding what men typically find attractive, and they're not considering any of this from a male perspective.
It’s quite straightforward—many providers receive negative reviews because they aren’t attractive, young, or appealing to what most men find desirable and attractive.
There aren't exactly many girls that guys find really attractive in this industry, most are just fuckable.

But what do I know? Apparently i’m just a broke, stupid attorney who just finished a 16-hour workday and decided to log onto this site while watching some TV to relax.
Then I read this thread and read that I’m apparently just a low-class loser for logging on here every few days and occasionally making comments.

[MB_]

I have a question for you. Are men not walking away at the door if they don't like the look of the SP when she opens the door? Genuinely curious here. You say it could save them $700. Why not save yourself the $700 and just leave if you don't like what you see?

What a fantastic question and an excellent topic! I believe it deserves its own discussion. I'm going to take this and start a dedicated thread for it.

[Wario]

Is there a way to remove the "this post was deleted" messages? This thread is interesting, but the empty space on some pages makes it difficult to follow.

[Plato]

I've heard that a lot of providers are having a tough time bringing in and keeping clients these days, but who knows, maybe that's just a rumor.
No, they don't "irk" me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.
I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
Just pontificating on why that may be the case. Maybe you are right.
Im sure it is a myriad of reasons.

Nah, I'm just pointing out that a lot of these ladies either don’t have reviews or have very few of them.
don't bother me. $600-1000 really isn't that much.

Thanks for the discussion.  I am not sure where that rumour came from. The women I know to be charging $600/H + haven't mentioned anything to me about it being slow. Business always seems to be booming, but I also think that you get what you put into it. If ads aren't consistently being posted or online engagement is lacking, this may slow things down. I know some girls don't advertise as often as others, and of course the girls that do are more noticeable

As for the reviews,  I went months before anyone wrote me a review, which was odd to me. When I joined the industry I expected to be reviewed immediately. I had even hoped for it. I was curious. Once I was reviewed, it was like the flood gates broke. Some clients have told me that reviews drive up the popularity of their favorite provider, so they don't contribute for that reason. Others may be satisfied and save their reviews for encounters they consider to be less favorable . Others more private. 

 I've noticed that a lot of men here want validation,  acceptance,  and status. And I think review boards attract that type, and if you're not that type...

In your view, what distinguishes a "booming" business from "slow business" for a provider? How many clients per day or week would you consider typical for each?