Justify cameras inside incalls

[MB_]

I don't believe it's really possible to justify it personally. However, I noticed that the other thread about providers and agencies having cameras inside their incalls was starting to go off-topic. So, I thought I’d create a separate thread where people can debate whether it’s justified or not.

[MissHunter]

I strongly feel reputable places/ providers who choose to use them legally & ethically I 100% support
It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder
Most guys are good it’s the rare one that ruins it all for everyone

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But when that rare one comes along shit gets ugly so fast on a level I don’t think you guys can really understand

[yaletownfuckboi]

I strongly feel reputable places/ providers  who choose to use them legally & ethically I 100% support
It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder
Most guys are good it’s the rare one that ruins it all for everyone

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But when that rare one comes along shit gets ugly so fast on a level I don’t think you guys can really understand

Ok, but you believe it's wrong to have them in studio apartments where they are recording in the same space where sexual acts and nudity are taking place?

Don't you think it would be appropriate to inform clients in advance and advertise about the presence of cameras within the incall, so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to proceed and be filmed?

[MissHunter]

I strongly feel reputable places/ providers  who choose to use them legally & ethically I 100% support
It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder
Most guys are good it’s the rare one that ruins it all for everyone

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But when that rare one comes along shit gets ugly so fast on a level I don’t think you guys can really understand

Ok, but you believe it's wrong to have them in studio apartments where they are recording in the same space where sexual acts and nudity are taking place?

Don't you think it would be appropriate to inform clients in advance and advertise about the presence of cameras within the incall, so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to proceed and be filmed?

As long as whatever the cam captures is not illegal I have no issue
And any reputable places that use them they will never use or even save that info malevolently
I think you know that boi

[yaletownfuckboi]

Ok, but you believe it's wrong to have them in studio apartments where they are recording in the same space where sexual acts and nudity are taking place?

Don't you think it would be appropriate to inform clients in advance and advertise about the presence of cameras within the incall, so they can make an informed decision about whether they want to proceed and be filmed?

As long as whatever the cam captures is not illegal I have no issue
And any reputable places that use them they will never use or even save that info malevolently
I think you know that boi

Answer the second question please

[razzar1234]

It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder 

1) i thought this drugged out psychopath got banned???

2) if thats the case why do you feel the need to fabricate stories of robbery and assault. I distinctly remember you claimed rizas was robbed at gunpoint despite there being zero record of it on the news, on perb, or anywhere for that matter

3) given your history of doxxing attempts and lies, why tf should anyone here believe you?

[MissHunter]

As long as whatever the cam captures is not illegal I have no issue
And any reputable places that use them they will never use or even save that info malevolently
I think you know that boi

Answer the second question please

I can only comment on my main dtwn location or east Van cuz those are the only van locations I work at 
Idk how other dtwn places have their cams set up 
Both those cams you have to go through long hallways & or up stairs and I can 100% assure you nothing bad would be captured plus nothing gets saved unless there is the rare event a client behaves like a shady abusive asshole & hurts someone

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It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder 

1) i thought this drugged out psychopath got banned???

2) if thats the case why do you feel the need to fabricate stories of robbery and assault. I distinctly remember you claimed rizas was robbed at gunpoint despite there being zero record of it on the news, on perb, or anywhere for that matter

3) given your history of doxxing attempts and lies, why tf should anyone here believe you?

Drugged out psychopath? I used to to drugs  decades ago but only do shrooms now for full disclosure, I don’t even smoke weed anymore 

Rizas’s wasn’t actually home invaded & robbed ?? Umm ok sir . So it wasn’t on the news…

Shut the fuck up dear and leave this debate to us adults who aren’t suffering from delusion & paranoia

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Doxxing attempts? Fuck right off with that I have nothing to do with any doxxing

Stop accusing me of bs I have nothing to do with

[Plato]

Notice that no one trying to justify this has challenged any of Lawyerman's points in the other thread? It's because his arguments are air tight

[MissHunter]

Btw not all studio apartments are set out the same

Part of me is sooo confused about this argument

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Notice that no one trying to justify this has challenged any of Lawyerman's points in the other thread? It's because his arguments are air tight

I challenged his arguments as someone who had taken numerous law classes for funsies plus verifying with an experienced lawyer once that discussion blew up 

I feel like a ghost here lol

[Silverfox]

I strongly feel reputable places/ providers  who choose to use them legally & ethically I 100% support
It can be a dangerous job we have to worry about assault, rape, robbery or murder
Most guys are good it’s the rare one that ruins it all for everyone

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But when that rare one comes along shit gets ugly so fast on a level I don’t think you guys can really understand

Wouldn't that be a good reason to advertise it so that clients are informed in advance? It would deter dangerous individuals from showing up.

I'm quite certain I read somewhere that having security company stickers displayed on your house windows significantly deters break-in attempts, even if there's no security system actually installed. 

According to your logic, failing to inform clients in advance about the presence of cameras actually increases the risk for providers to be victims of rape, robbery or murder.

[razzar1234]

I challenged his arguments as someone who had taken numerous law classes for funsies plus verifying with an experienced lawyer once that discussion blew up 

I feel like a ghost here lol

Your broke dumbass cant even afford a lawyer.

[Plato]

Btw not all studio apartments are set out the same

Part of me is sooo confused about this argument

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Notice that no one trying to justify this has challenged any of Lawyerman's points in the other thread? It's because his arguments are air tight

I challenged his arguments as someone who had taken numerous law classes for funsies plus verifying with an experienced lawyer once that discussion blew up 

I feel like a ghost here lol

Address each of Laywerman's arguments individually.

[Plato]

Address each of Laywerman's arguments individually.

If I actually hunker down and argue this topic to the bone I will post links to other past rulings
A shit load of reading
You guys are ok with that?

sure

[Silverfox]

Wouldn't that be a good reason to advertise it so that clients are informed in advance? It would deter dangerous individuals from showing up.
I'm quite certain I read somewhere that having security company stickers displayed on your house windows significantly deters break-in attempts, even if there's no security system actually installed. 
According to your logic, failing to inform clients in advance about the presence of cameras actually increases the risk for providers to be victims of rape, robbery or murder.

The ones at the spaces I use that actually have them they are completely visible and none of my clients have ever had an issue with it

Therefore, agencies and providers with cameras in their incalls should tell clients in advanced as well as advertise it to safeguard providers from rape, robbery or murder.
Failing to do so would put providers at an increased risk of rape, robbery or murder.

How can you be sure that no clients have had issue with it? I believe that the fact that so many men are voicing concerns about it both here and on Perb indicates that many have an issue with it.

[razzar1234]

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[MB_]

The ones at the spaces I use that actually have them they are completely visible and none of my clients have ever had an issue with it

Therefore, agencies and providers with cameras in their incalls should tell clients in advanced as well as advertise it to safeguard providers from rape, robbery or murder.
Failing to do so would put providers at an increased risk of rape, robbery or murder.

How can you be sure that no clients have had issue with it? I believe that the fact that so many men are voicing concerns about it both here and on Perb indicates that many have an issue with it.

FYI a total of 32 different Perb members reached out to one of the accounts from the Perb thread on this topic, requesting a DM to obtain information on which providers and agencies have cameras at their incall locations, so they could avoid them. The comment was only visible for less than 12 hours before being removed, and the account being banned. This shows that concern about this matter isn't limited to members of this board alone, plenty Perb members are concerned a well.

It also shows that Perb mods read private DMs

[MissHunter]

The ones at the spaces I use that actually have them they are completely visible and none of my clients have ever had an issue with it

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Huh?

I think bro forgot to take his seroquel

you claim youre not a drug user but you advocate for taking big pharma poison. nice self own "bro." now fuck off this website and go back to whatever crackhouse you came from.

Ok bro just give me a minute to pack up my crackpipes & lighters and I’ll be on my way lol

[aceee]

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FYI a total of 32 different Perb members reached out to one of the accounts from the Perb thread on this topic, requesting a DM to obtain information on which providers and agencies have cameras at their incall locations, so they could avoid them. The comment was only visible for less than 12 hours before being removed, and the account being banned. This shows that concern about this matter isn't limited to members of this board alone, plenty Perb members are concerned a well.

It also shows that Perb mods read private DMs
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Thats how I found this site

[Wario]

Sorry to say but some members can’t even accurately understand & comprehend a mere sentence or two on a forum

Coming from someone who repeatedly avoids and refuses to answer even the simplest questions in this very thread